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this is far too close to 'middle-aged man says music was better in his day'. there was plenty of shining new music in 2014 that would have sounded extremely fresh and innovative in 1994, eg grime or Colin Stetson or Run the Jewels or Arca

Open borders doesn't help. Just saying.

everything he says is true

This guy loves to preen

13:39 what we have today is vaporwave -the virtual mashup of all that came before, preserved cultural broadcasts foaming up and overflowing, trying to be remembered, even if only as an echo, inside of what’s new.

It’s fair to say that music doesn’t innovate but it’s a presumption to assume music plays the same role as it did in his day. We have either lost music as a communal ritual or supplanted it with something else. Leaving music free to be commodified and emptied of its meaning.

About 46 min. into your talk you begin to generalize about artists "making" as opposed to artists "ideas." This is unfortunate. I get that the tools, the execution, the emotions all contribute to a product, a concrete product. However, a fair number of artists, like critical theorists, have great, meaningful, transportable, influential ideas. They are not on automatic pilot. They are the Gertrude Steins and Stéphane Mallarmés of the world, and you can't just gloss them. You have to honor that ability. In one poem, Mallarmé contributed at least eight conceptually fundamental ideas that radically changed poetry. Those ideas are often pointed to and exclaimed over, but to actually put them into practice past moving words around on the page as a performative space, involves much deeper understanding. I've likely been unfair to you.

No one is bored everything is boring, is a great slogan

There’s also a technological arch with recorded music evolution. People like aphex twin pushed it very far in terms of computer editing. The recording technology hasn’t advanced that much since then. I think he makes some really true points about us being haunted by the past creatively.

4:27 I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a virgin (or maiden)? Job 31:1

watching this in 2024, I can't believe this is 10 years old

I don’t think he ever got that capitalism plays a very specific trick with human subjectivity. We are split subjects (Lacan, mirror-stage) and will always feel unreal to ourselves because the image we have of ourselves really is just an image. Advanced capitalism is parasitic to that split - it promises a future without the split. That promise of wholeness (completeness) is the actual lure of the modern commodity. That’s why it’s impossible (or nearly) to imagine an alternative to capitalism. We can’t give up on that future wholeness. The way out is hard: abandon all hope of healing your split subjectivity (ouch). If you can do that, commodities will never look the same, the lure of completeness will be gone.

This is one of the most overrated speakers that I've ever heard.

Talk about scrambled, cancellation of the future, really? What's it matter if nobody cares to stop authoritative violence against the nonviolent? You're psyoped.

Yes, and this is where we are now. Chewing on the old rancid fat of the past. Static, no moving, his is best for the financial markets for the upper echelons of power, who are not a creative class.

‘What the internet provides is an oppressive weight of the past’ Damn 😧

This is also exemplified by fashion. Everything is derivative now.

New music culture largely follows technology, or anti-technology. When auto-tune is the latest breakthrough, you've got a sea of mediocrity.

You really see the constant nostalgia in memes . Shrek, tobey macguire , shocked pikachu , etc . People in there 20s and younger memeing things I grew up with .

some comments talking about how they wish Mark had heard specific music - completely miss the point. music culture is just one example of the larger issues. one band you think is cool is not at all new in this way that is being described. the effect of this disappearance of time marking is not as simple as new music suddenly not being found. this is a sickness of perception of time itself

This guy needs to travel... e.g. for the Lebanese and Palestinians 2006-08 sound is Julia Boutrus. Not everyone lives in an academia-Starbucks-airport bubble of the dying empire. Sure, we're all affected by it but it doesn't mean we are all in the same boat and experiencing the apocalypse the same.

Investors want predictability, so the republic was overthrown November 22, 1963.

My heart breaks that the weight of what he was fighting was too much. My whole academic career is in his honor. No person has ever been so inspiring

Odd that it seems digital technology has ushered in a new dark age. I suppose Spengler would say this is all just part of the cyclical nature of civilization.

Let's face it: We're in a new 'Middle / Medieval' Period.

“The future has disappeared” - interesting. Perhaps we have simply come to the logical end of “pop culture”?

60s and 70s, up until the 90s were quite unprecedented. It was a huge technological and cultural revolution which we still haven't understood properly. Comparable to Reformation or the Renaissance. But people are discarding video games as not part of the culture. While in the future I feel the 2000s and 2010s will be remembered by this and not the movies or music. And only a boomer would say that there isn't originality or artistic value there. If you took a video game from 2010s and gave it to someone in 70s it would blow their minds. It's like someone in the 40s complaining about there is noting original in the theater anymore, while completely missing the revolution in the film industry. What about CGI in movies which really went on another level only in 2000s? I remember when I saw Lord of the Rings in 2001. I was absolutely mind-blown. I would have never imagined this is even remotely possible. Compare that to epic movies of the 80s which look like cardboard highschool plays compared to that. Then I wouldn't also forget about the rise of quality TV shows, which completely stollen spotlight to movies in the 2010s.

Chuck Berry regarding the uniqueness of his music: "There ain't nothing new under the sun." There's some comfort in this timelessness.

I'm writing this in the future relative to this talk. The main thing that strikes me is that music is very short compared with Beethoven or the 24 verse song about how beautiful is the valley in the place why I live. Who is doing long stuff?

Is this what smart people listen too, i was looking for a review of the best noise cancelation headphones

Correction. 1994 was 30 years ago, not 20 years ago. Still hard to believe.

I would argue the rapidity of social and cultural change in the late 19th century through the end of the 20th was the exception to the rule and that we’re back in a period of slow change (which to many of us might feel like comparative stasis or backward-looking and so _feels_ like “the end of the future”) that has been the norm over the centuries.

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Pozdrav Ivici, Aleksandar Zavođa-JNA

Objectively wrong, this is just a hyperbolic attack on remakes and Taylor swift

things go slower at the narrower parts of an eclipse and as we move closer to the wider parts there is a speeding up, like a whipping of time. its cerebral, because of time patterns that are imposed on us. not a lot of people know that you know

RIP Mark Fisher, you would've hated generative AI

You know he is trolling when he refers to "value theory" (pronouncing it "walue") as a "valuable insight" (pronouncing it correctly) in a single sentence.

I don’t agree with him on the loss of futuristic art. Maybe 2014 was a slow down, but these past few years have had serious innovators that have toyed with Fisher’s idea of synthetic culture to cultivate a sort of alien futurism through the reconstruction of archaic sounds with newer technology in current approaches to post-club,(dark) plugg, and epic collage. (Artist-examples being Sophie, .cutspace, Fitness, Deffic1le, etc.). Of course his assessments are accurate regarding popular culture, but those lines of flight still exist and are still being pioneered.

Brassier probably gets his coke from the same person as that other nut job? the one with the lisp.

One of the sure signs of our times is to see it as extraordinary peculiar. How did music in 1656 sound different from 1670? Another sure sign of our time is to make anything more important than it is - especially in culture and subculture.

the 21sst century has been a disaster for musicians

man rest in peace

This being already 10 years ago and still so current reveals everything of what he (so eloquently) is saying

3:31

Hard to believe believe this dude is a hardcore capitalist and egomaniac

Dude never heard [generic band doing musical pastiches with works from the last 20-30 years]

dude never heard 100 gecs.

If we put as much effort and time into creating immortality, and other futuristic things as much as we do hollywood, movies, sports, ect... We could have been in the future by now...

People want to eradicate humans so bad